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The thing that sticks out when looking at my figures for the NFC is apart to a lesser degree Indianapolis, how similar all the Teams have played this Year. It’s easy to say run the ball and stop the run but not always easy to do. This gave me the notion that maybe the talent divide between Teams is bigger than we think. After digging up some stats, this does appear to be the case. I understand how stats can say what you want them to say and how you can get bogged down by them. So I have tried to keep things as simple as possible at all times, basically what I found overall was, compared to 2003, more Teams were less proficient running the ball and stopping the run. Below shows a few numbers:

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Off Rushing Yds Per Game………………………Def Rushing Yds Per Game

YDS....No of Teams..2003……2004……YDS……..2003………2004

110-129…………..........3………..12……………80-89……….4………….1

100-109………………..9…………6…………….90-99……….2………….0

90-99…………………..4………….3……………100-109…….8………….2

80-89…………………,1…………2……………110-119…….5………….6

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The Jets beat The Chargers 34-28 in Week 2 being 3pt favourites coming in. The score flattered San Diego as The Jets dominated throughout. Since then the thinking is that The Jets have dropped off a bit while San Diego is one of, if not the most improved Team in the NFL. Some four months later and The Chargers are now 6pt favourites, have they improved some 9pts in that time?

This Year also had several Teams, Miami, Cleveland, Tennessee, Oakland, Chicago, NY Giants and SF49ers who through injury and the like could hardly be called NFL calibre. Carolina and Arizona also had their troubles early on. As I pointed out last Week with Buffalo, a deeper look into Teams is needed, as all have played some vastly inferior Clubs.
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NY Jets @ San Diego


As I expected San Diego to improve this Year, (I bet them in the Jets game) I didn’t take much notice of other peoples view of their improvement. What I did notice was how the Line-makers continually underrated them in their spreads, a sign that they weren’t convinced of improvement, rarely is the Books view wrong long term. Taking into account what has been said earlier and considering The Chargers played 4 games, 5 if you include Carolina at the time, against injury depleted Teams, I thought the best way to gauge any improvement was to compare this Year with last.
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The common view is that the Offense has improved significantly while not losing its run orientated attack. So once again, keeping it simple, San Diego averaged 4.2yds per rush and 210yds per game passing. Surprisingly, in 2003 they rushed for 5.1yds per rush and 188yds passing. Another stat I find valuable is the +15 turnovers this year against –11 last Year. On Defense, this Year they gave up 3.7yds per rush and 253yds passing per game. 2003, they were 4.2yds per rush and 210yds passing, almost a mirror image of the Offense. It could be argued that these figures are meaningless and I must admit after plenty of thought, nothing stood out. It was only after considering the following that anything made sense. San Diego played 9 games in 2003 against .500 Teams, going 1-8, this Year they were 3-4. In Defense of The Chargers, they have belly flopped their 3<SUP>rd</SUP> down conversion rate from last year and of course Brees halved his INTs to 7. Brees and the passing game seem to be the answer, but when you see that 5 of the 7 INTs went to the .500 Teams, and question whether 22yds passing per game constitutes an improvement, and then I prefer to look elsewhere. I am of the opinion, that like Buffalo, San Diego has also taken advantage of this seasons weak Teams. This has led to winning results, also an improvement in their 3<SUP>rd</SUP> downs, INTs and Turnovers rates while not having to do any more statistically running or passing, than last Year.

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I don’t see any point in analysing The Jets, as I would think everyone would agree that they are basically what they were last Year, an above average Team but not good enough to beat the best. On my figures, it would appear that their Defense has improved and there does seem to be legitimate excuses for some of their losses, Pennington being injured and Abraham out for the last 4 games.

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I haven’t decided what to do in this game yet as there are two things that concern me. The first is Pennington’s play since his comeback and the fact they play Saturday on the West Coast after being in O/T on the road Sunday. Any feed-back would be greatly appreciated.

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Best of luck in the play-offs.:103631605
 

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I'm on the Bolts, I just see the Jets as a team heading south and I think the Bolts will be on a serious high being at home & in the playoffs. I started betting the Bolts every week about 2 months ago and have just watched the dollars roll in. Herman Edwards looks lost at times. Chargers at home with a decent defense and a good run game sounds like a formula for sucess.


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Under??

What about under 44 here?
Teams played to 62 first time around, but if Jets play without Chrebet and Moss has been absent lately, they focus on Martin and keeping the ball away. If Abraham is back, SD will focus on the run. Clock will move and both defenses are above average.
Both coaches like it close to the vest.
 

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Plus, it's been raining cats and dogs over here!! Forecast shows more showers in coming days maybe. Not sure about what weather will be like here on saturday, but I'll keep you guys posted. Even still, field must be soggy. Traction will be a problem on Saturday I bet if they didn't cover the field.
 

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B2B long trips for NYJ is not good and SD really should beat them rather easily.


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i can't play this game for the only way i'd play it is SD - and the chargers' HC is Marty Schottenheimer - and we all know what Marty is like in the post-season and i can just see the same thing here.

marty coaches differently in the post-season and gets even more conservative and i just see him doing too many stupid things to put money on him.

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This game comes down to penningtons health and weather or not he can throw it down field, that is how you beat the chargers, by throwing the ball and if pennington's arm is not healthy enough it will be a long afternoon for the jets.
 

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winkyduck- I thought the EXACT thing

Marty still scares me. Remember the coaching debacle in the playoffs against Denver when he went with Elvis Grbac over Rich Gannon. That has to be the dumbest decision in coaching history
The weather makes this game unattractive for betting purposes. Who knows. I would rather bet one dont pass bet at the craps table and get it over with
 

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I think the JETS have an underrated defense and overrated offense. SD's strength vs the run might be the difference here?

On another possibly OT note, here are the playoff scores from last year:

Wild-Card: Ten 20 @ BAL 17 // @ IND 41 Den 10 // @ CAR 29 Dal 10 // @ GBAY 37, Sea 31 (OT)

Division: @ NE 17 Ten 14 // Ind 38 @ KAN 31 // Car 29 @ STL 23 (2 OT) // @ PHI 20 GBay 17 (OT)

Championship: @ NE 24 Indianapolis 14 // Car 14 @ PHI 3

SB: NE 32 Car 29
 

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Only 2 blowouts, both in the wild card rounds, though the championships games were not close. All other games were competitive.
 

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Thanks for all the useful comments, especially Winky's about Schott, I had meant to mention him. I have never bothered to find out why he fails in the play-offs but it might be the same reason this Year. Having success all Year playing Martyball but having to play better Teams in the play-offs, then being unable to adapt.

Every Team in the AFC has feasted playing Martyball this Year, but come the Play-offs, it will be rocks V hard places. Teams must have a plan B, and maybe Marty doesnt. Knowing Herm, after he sees they are 6pt under-dog, he will definately have a plan B, whether it works is another question.
 

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Bolts are 14-2 ATS this year

Nuff said. . .and 7-1 at home SU. . . plus it's payback time.

They will roll the Jets under the lights. Pennington will not be able to throw down field. I think he was overrated before the injury - now he is really just average.

Remember what the Bolts did in INDY a few weeks ago - yeah they lost but came out like gang busters and were up big - they and fans will be sky high for this abd I think they score early and often. This spells trouble for NY who will be forced to throw to hang close - something they are not built to do.

Very bad spot for the Jets here

I'm playing the BOLTS LARGE. . .
 

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we just had the holiday bowl here and the chiefs and the field is fine. its covered and yes another storm will arrive friday. chance of rain saturday is 40%. the bolts already proved they can handle any surface from a downpour to snow and a frozen field at cleveland.we all know the playoff track record of marty. it was a topic in todays union-tribune. so it was the talk on sports radio too.but martys not the same guy he was in cleve and KC. hes lightened up and hes let wade phillips run the defense and cam cameron controls the offense.the chargers are a VERY hungry team right now. they have revenge in thier minds after thier only home loss to the jets in sept.the comparisons are being made to the superbowl team in 94. theres alot of similarities between stan humphries and drew brees. antonio gates and alfred pupunu.and natrone means and ladainian.the O line and the defenses are both solid.and the biggest thing the jets will face is the charger fans. trust me this place is wilder than any place in the nfl or college.the fans here are rabid and they are loud.martys failures were having to be on the wrong end of a john elway DRIVE and having elvis grbac as his QB. lets worry more if we get past the jets.the other thing i like is paul hackett is the jets O.C. and hes a proven loser when his offenses have to produce.on the flip side theres very bad blood between marty and herm edwards.herm was an assistant for marty at kc and they butted heads all the time.this story is long and detailed so i wont bore you. but when the jets beat sd in sept they didnt shake hands at mid field and herm refused to address the sd media after the game. he hated marty so much he left town ASAP even tho herms son was playing the next day for san diego state.now thats some serious hatred.hope i said something meaningfull here.gl to everyone.:howdy: ~RG
 

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call me your weather girl. were getting a storm in tonight in san diego and its supposed to rain all the way thru next tuesday. its being called a 30 YEAR STORM. i suppose thats so cals version of the perfect storm.so the total could be affected in this game.just thought everyone might want to know.~RG
 

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Thanx Roxy...

roxygurl said:
call me your weather girl. were getting a storm in tonight in san diego and its supposed to rain all the way thru next tuesday. its being called a 30 YEAR STORM. i suppose thats so cals version of the perfect storm.so the total could be affected in this game.just thought everyone might want to know.~RG


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Winbet:

I'll keep this short and sweet. For what it's worth, when the line on the side of this game was posted, my sense was that it was inflated and as the line continues to creep ever so higher, it gets only worse. Doesn't mean the Chargers can't win and cover. Just believe anyone deciding to play into this line is getting the short end of the stick. Wild Card weekend is traditionally very unsettling as the teams that match-up have some weaknesses that can be exploited. Plus, in this particular instance, the teams have already met earlier in the year and can make direct adjustments off of that game. Throw in possible inclement weather and anything is possible, turnovers, slippery field, wet ball, just to name a few. Best of luck whatever you decide to do.
 

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Hey winbet..

I personally stayed away from the Jet/Sd game because firstly I think the number on the game is shaded too high and secondly because this game sets up strikingly similar to a wildcard game from last season.

The Jets played on the road to close out their regular season this year at St Louis and thus are playing on the road for the second straight week in this game and of course this is a re-match from an earlier season meeting between these teams won by the Jets 34-28 on this same field.

Last season Denver was in a similar situation as they had traveled to Indianapolis during the regular season and defeated the colts by the final score of 31-17, Denver also played their final game of the season on the road ( actually played their last two regular season games on the road ) and then traveled to Indianapolis in a re-match with the colts...the end result was a 41-10 colt blowout win.

Does this show that the Jets ( like Denver ) may enter this contest with a false sense of confidence? I don't know, however, I do know that the Jets have wayyyyyy too many problems at the moment with regard to basically backing their way into the playoffs and having a QB that is not completely heathly.

There also appears to be some disgruntlement coming from the Jets players with regard to their unhappiness with the play calling, this can only lead to "Doubt" settling into the minds of the Jet players prior to and during the game itself...and doubt is not a good thing to have in one's mind when participating in the playoffs.

Just my thoughts...take care and good luck!!

Deb
 

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P.S. The weather man is now calling for bad weather up and down the west coast.


Good luck

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A serious sorry to everyone for not getting back quicker, been very busy. Two Daughters going back to college this Week-end, both want to be driven there at different times, Mother-in-Law now lives with us because Husband died early this Year. She has been, understandably upset all Xmas, to top it off, the wife is not talking to me because I never gave her a Xmas card. While all this is going on, I have been trying to make sense of the play-offs and trade in the first Golf tourny of the Year. All this has fallen on deaf ears, even though I have warned everyone, no betting winnings, nobody does nothing.

Thanks to all the Homers on San Diego, especially Roxy. Ted's " short and sweet" and Deb's views were exactly my thoughts, except I was long winded and around the houses. Deb's misgivings about the Jets are spot on, but because of the way this game might play out, I have decided to play The Jets small on the M/L.

Best of luck on the Week-end.:103631605

PS: I know you Yanks are barred from betting in the UK, but if you can find a way around it, it is certainly worth the trouble. The in-play betting on sports on Betfair is a must for serious gamblers. As I have said before, apparently US citizens use their mobiles to get around the rules.
 

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